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ExperimentEXP-2026-0024v0.1

PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth

Same model and settings as the first run, repetitions raised from two to four: 16 tasks × 4 × 4 candidates, 754 unique model requests, 64 rows per condition. The PACC runtime (C) shows no reliable advantage on any judge axis — supersession +0.0005 and repair -0.0125 vs B, so the first run's gains did not replicate — and sits a few hundredths below A and B on adherence, coherence and intent persistence. A new label-free breadth measure (local nomic-embed-text embeddings, k-means labels over each task's candidate pool) finds no collapse: C's cluster entropy 0.923 vs A 0.909 / B 0.864, breadth ratio 0.975 vs 0.948 / 0.941. Five selector/judge outputs failed strict JSON parsing and were regenerated under a disclosed retry policy.

Research status
STABLE the current conclusions are relatively stable
Evidence level
E3 Repeated experiment
Result
NEGATIVE
Data basis
REAL MODEL A real language model was executed; the model, its version and its configuration are recorded on the page.
Version
0.1
Updated
2026-09-11
Created
2026-09-11
Domain
Reasoning, Evaluation
Program
PRG-2026-0001 Adaptive Epistemic Systems
Authors
Neo.K (EveMissLab)
AI collaborators
Sol (GPT-5.6, OpenAI ChatGPT)

Hypothesis

hypothesis
With enough repetitions, (a) the first run's supersession/repair gains for the PACC runtime replicate, and (b) creative breadth can be measured — and the predeclared breadth collapse under PACC selection appears.

Setup

model_ids
benchmark_ids
software_environment
Python 3.14, openai SDK 3.0.0 against Ollama 0.33.3 /v1/responses (flash attention on, q8_0 KV cache for the resumed pass); nomic-embed-text for breadth; harness package unchanged.

Procedure

procedure
scripts/run_real_local_ollama.py --model qwythos-9b-v2-q4km-ctx8k --repetitions 4 --candidate-count 4 (resumed once from cache after a malformed judge JSON aborted the first pass at call 398); scripts/summarize_real_local.py; scripts/breadth_metrics.py.

Runs

run_count
1
random_seeds
  • model nondeterminism, single run; frozen response cache and embedding cache in the bundle
controls
  • identical candidate ledger for A/B/C
  • equal accounted calls
  • condition-blind judge with deduplicated judge calls
  • deterministic literal checks
  • pool-relative breadth ratio
metrics
verdict
REAL_LOCAL_9B_NO_RELIABLE_DIFFERENCE_BREADTH_NOT_REDUCED
execution_status
EXECUTED_REAL_MODEL
protocol
model
qwythos-9b-v2-q4km-ctx8k:latest
judge_model
qwythos-9b-v2-q4km-ctx8k:latest
task_count
16
repetitions
4
candidate_count
4
equal_accounted_calls
true
architecture_call_counts
A_llm_only
448
B_hard_verifier
448
C_pacc_runtime
448
rows_per_architecture
64
overall
A_llm_only
hard_adherence
0.9894
derived_coherence
0.9942
intent_persistence
0.9863
supersession_alignment
0.9767
repair_success
0.9798
usefulness
0.9427
semantic_novelty
0.8267
valid_novelty
0.8691
literal_check_mean
0.974
B_hard_verifier
hard_adherence
0.9816
derived_coherence
0.977
intent_persistence
0.982
supersession_alignment
0.9469
repair_success
0.95
usefulness
0.9355
semantic_novelty
0.8044
valid_novelty
0.9114
literal_check_mean
0.9792
C_pacc_runtime
hard_adherence
0.9672
derived_coherence
0.9695
intent_persistence
0.9706
supersession_alignment
0.9473
repair_success
0.9375
usefulness
0.9234
semantic_novelty
0.8161
valid_novelty
0.8927
literal_check_mean
0.974
deltas
C-B
hard_adherence
-0.0144
derived_coherence
-0.0075
intent_persistence
-0.0114
supersession_alignment
0.0005
repair_success
-0.0125
usefulness
-0.012
semantic_novelty
0.0117
valid_novelty
-0.0187
literal_check_mean
-0.0052
C-A
hard_adherence
-0.0222
derived_coherence
-0.0247
intent_persistence
-0.0157
supersession_alignment
-0.0294
repair_success
-0.0423
usefulness
-0.0192
semantic_novelty
-0.0106
valid_novelty
0.0236
literal_check_mean
0.0
B-A
hard_adherence
-0.0078
derived_coherence
-0.0172
intent_persistence
-0.0043
supersession_alignment
-0.0298
repair_success
-0.0298
usefulness
-0.0072
semantic_novelty
-0.0223
valid_novelty
0.0423
literal_check_mean
0.0052
selection_agreement
A=B
0.546875
A=C
0.546875
B=C
0.46875
all_same
0.34375
paired_wins_ties_losses
C-B
hard_adherence
1-62-1
derived_coherence
2-60-2
intent_persistence
0-61-3
supersession_alignment
3-57-4
repair_success
3-59-2
usefulness
10-41-13
semantic_novelty
14-39-11
valid_novelty
8-46-10
C-A
hard_adherence
2-59-3
derived_coherence
1-58-5
intent_persistence
2-57-5
supersession_alignment
3-57-4
repair_success
2-59-3
usefulness
10-44-10
semantic_novelty
14-37-13
valid_novelty
11-48-5
breadth_label_free
A_llm_only
cluster_entropy_mean
0.9091
breadth_ratio_mean
0.9475
selected_mean_pairwise_distance_mean
0.1909
B_hard_verifier
cluster_entropy_mean
0.8635
breadth_ratio_mean
0.9411
selected_mean_pairwise_distance_mean
0.1921
C_pacc_runtime
cluster_entropy_mean
0.9227
breadth_ratio_mean
0.9745
selected_mean_pairwise_distance_mean
0.1964
breadth_method
nomic-embed-text:latest embeddings; k-means k=4 over each task's 16-candidate pool; normalized cluster entropy and mean pairwise cosine distance / pool distance
retries
  • judge:repair_02:r1:c1
  • judge:design_01:r0:c0
  • selector:A_llm_only:design_01:r3
  • judge:design_03:r1:c2
  • judge:creative_03:r0:c2
usage
input_tokens
718454
latency_ms_sum
8037466.647999942
output_tokens
223944
wall_seconds
3400.5

Interpretation

interpretation
Two thinking-off runs on the same 9B model (32 and 64 rows per condition) now disagree on the only gains the first run showed, so those gains were run-to-run variation of a same-model judge, not an effect. The predeclared coherence and intent gains are absent in both runs. The predeclared breadth collapse is not observed by either label-free measure — the shipped C selector prompt already instructs against collapsing, so this tests the shipped prompt, not naive commitment. On this model the three runtime conditions are practically equivalent; nothing is statistically tested; frontier models are not addressed.

Limitations

limitations
  • Same-model 9B judge, saturating near 1.0; no human rating, no second judge.
  • The breadth measure is supplementary and label-free, not the protocol's judge-label entropy (which stays 1.0 because free-text labels never repeat).
  • Retry policy: unparseable selector/judge JSON regenerated at most twice per call, never edited; 5 retries recorded.
  • Thinking disabled; one model family; no significance or equivalence test.

Reproduction

reproduction_instructions
Extract the bundle; replay exactly with CachedReplayProvider('.pacc_real_cache_local_reps4', reasoning_effort='none'); python scripts/breadth_metrics.py results/pacc_hybrid_v0.2_real_local_reps4.json --cache-dir .pacc_real_cache_local_reps4 (embeddings cached alongside).

Results

SourceRelationTargetStatusID
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthproducesRST-2026-0015 Run 2: no reliable condition difference; breadth not reduced (64 rows)ACTIVEREL-2026-0341

Recorded fields

completed_at
2026-09-11

Relations

SourceRelationTargetStatusID
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthruns_onSYS-2026-0003 PACC-LLM Hybrid LabACTIVEREL-2026-0334
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthuses_benchmarkBEN-2026-0003 PACC-LLM Hybrid A/B/C benchmarkACTIVEREL-2026-0335
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthuses_modelMOD-2026-0006 Qwythos-9B-v2 (Q4_K_M, local, Ollama)ACTIVEREL-2026-0336
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthextendsEXP-2026-0023 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — first real-model run, on a local 9B open-weight modelACTIVEREL-2026-0337
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthtestsTHY-2026-0002 Canonical symbolic state and candidate → verify → commit authorityACTIVEREL-2026-0338
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthreplicatesEXP-2026-0023 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — first real-model run, on a local 9B open-weight modelACTIVEREL-2026-0339
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthproducedART-2026-0037 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 real local-model run 2 (4 repetitions, label-free breadth) — results, frozen caches, scripts, docs artifact://evemisslab/adaptive-epistemic-systems/PACC-Hybrid-Lab_v0.2_REAL_LOCAL_LLM_RUN2_reps4_breadth_Qwythos-9B-v2_2026-09-11.zipACTIVEREL-2026-0340
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthproducesRST-2026-0015 Run 2: no reliable condition difference; breadth not reduced (64 rows)ACTIVEREL-2026-0341
EXP-2026-0025 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 3: thinking enabled with enlarged output budgetsextendsEXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadthACTIVEREL-2026-0347

History and provenance

Canonical URL
https://evemisslab.com/ai/experiments/EXP-2026-0024/
Machine-readable
/ai/experiments/EXP-2026-0024/index.json
Snapshot
AI-SNAPSHOT-v0.1-fe85b9694a45
Provenance
source
EveMissLab research collection: Adaptive Epistemic Systems (真本體論13)
extracted_by
Splice (Claude Code), reading the canonical UTF-8 sources and each lab's own result reports
extracted_at
2026-09-11
generator
tools/extract_aes/extract.py
claim_boundary
status, evidence level and result type follow the source artifact's own stated claim boundary; nothing is upgraded beyond what the report supports