ExperimentEXP-2026-0024v0.1
PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth
Same model and settings as the first run, repetitions raised from two to four: 16 tasks × 4 × 4 candidates, 754 unique model requests, 64 rows per condition. The PACC runtime (C) shows no reliable advantage on any judge axis — supersession +0.0005 and repair -0.0125 vs B, so the first run's gains did not replicate — and sits a few hundredths below A and B on adherence, coherence and intent persistence. A new label-free breadth measure (local nomic-embed-text embeddings, k-means labels over each task's candidate pool) finds no collapse: C's cluster entropy 0.923 vs A 0.909 / B 0.864, breadth ratio 0.975 vs 0.948 / 0.941. Five selector/judge outputs failed strict JSON parsing and were regenerated under a disclosed retry policy.
Hypothesis
hypothesis- With enough repetitions, (a) the first run's supersession/repair gains for the PACC runtime replicate, and (b) creative breadth can be measured — and the predeclared breadth collapse under PACC selection appears.
Setup
benchmark_idssoftware_environment- Python 3.14, openai SDK 3.0.0 against Ollama 0.33.3 /v1/responses (flash attention on, q8_0 KV cache for the resumed pass); nomic-embed-text for breadth; harness package unchanged.
Procedure
procedure- scripts/run_real_local_ollama.py --model qwythos-9b-v2-q4km-ctx8k --repetitions 4 --candidate-count 4 (resumed once from cache after a malformed judge JSON aborted the first pass at call 398); scripts/summarize_real_local.py; scripts/breadth_metrics.py.
Runs
run_count- 1
random_seeds- model nondeterminism, single run; frozen response cache and embedding cache in the bundle
controls- identical candidate ledger for A/B/C
- equal accounted calls
- condition-blind judge with deduplicated judge calls
- deterministic literal checks
- pool-relative breadth ratio
metricsverdict- REAL_LOCAL_9B_NO_RELIABLE_DIFFERENCE_BREADTH_NOT_REDUCED
execution_status- EXECUTED_REAL_MODEL
protocolmodel- qwythos-9b-v2-q4km-ctx8k:latest
judge_model- qwythos-9b-v2-q4km-ctx8k:latest
task_count- 16
repetitions- 4
candidate_count- 4
equal_accounted_calls- true
architecture_call_countsA_llm_only- 448
B_hard_verifier- 448
C_pacc_runtime- 448
rows_per_architecture- 64
overallA_llm_onlyhard_adherence- 0.9894
derived_coherence- 0.9942
intent_persistence- 0.9863
supersession_alignment- 0.9767
repair_success- 0.9798
usefulness- 0.9427
semantic_novelty- 0.8267
valid_novelty- 0.8691
literal_check_mean- 0.974
B_hard_verifierhard_adherence- 0.9816
derived_coherence- 0.977
intent_persistence- 0.982
supersession_alignment- 0.9469
repair_success- 0.95
usefulness- 0.9355
semantic_novelty- 0.8044
valid_novelty- 0.9114
literal_check_mean- 0.9792
C_pacc_runtimehard_adherence- 0.9672
derived_coherence- 0.9695
intent_persistence- 0.9706
supersession_alignment- 0.9473
repair_success- 0.9375
usefulness- 0.9234
semantic_novelty- 0.8161
valid_novelty- 0.8927
literal_check_mean- 0.974
deltasC-Bhard_adherence- -0.0144
derived_coherence- -0.0075
intent_persistence- -0.0114
supersession_alignment- 0.0005
repair_success- -0.0125
usefulness- -0.012
semantic_novelty- 0.0117
valid_novelty- -0.0187
literal_check_mean- -0.0052
C-Ahard_adherence- -0.0222
derived_coherence- -0.0247
intent_persistence- -0.0157
supersession_alignment- -0.0294
repair_success- -0.0423
usefulness- -0.0192
semantic_novelty- -0.0106
valid_novelty- 0.0236
literal_check_mean- 0.0
B-Ahard_adherence- -0.0078
derived_coherence- -0.0172
intent_persistence- -0.0043
supersession_alignment- -0.0298
repair_success- -0.0298
usefulness- -0.0072
semantic_novelty- -0.0223
valid_novelty- 0.0423
literal_check_mean- 0.0052
selection_agreementA=B- 0.546875
A=C- 0.546875
B=C- 0.46875
all_same- 0.34375
paired_wins_ties_lossesC-Bhard_adherence- 1-62-1
derived_coherence- 2-60-2
intent_persistence- 0-61-3
supersession_alignment- 3-57-4
repair_success- 3-59-2
usefulness- 10-41-13
semantic_novelty- 14-39-11
valid_novelty- 8-46-10
C-Ahard_adherence- 2-59-3
derived_coherence- 1-58-5
intent_persistence- 2-57-5
supersession_alignment- 3-57-4
repair_success- 2-59-3
usefulness- 10-44-10
semantic_novelty- 14-37-13
valid_novelty- 11-48-5
breadth_label_freeA_llm_onlycluster_entropy_mean- 0.9091
breadth_ratio_mean- 0.9475
selected_mean_pairwise_distance_mean- 0.1909
B_hard_verifiercluster_entropy_mean- 0.8635
breadth_ratio_mean- 0.9411
selected_mean_pairwise_distance_mean- 0.1921
C_pacc_runtimecluster_entropy_mean- 0.9227
breadth_ratio_mean- 0.9745
selected_mean_pairwise_distance_mean- 0.1964
breadth_method- nomic-embed-text:latest embeddings; k-means k=4 over each task's 16-candidate pool; normalized cluster entropy and mean pairwise cosine distance / pool distance
retries- judge:repair_02:r1:c1
- judge:design_01:r0:c0
- selector:A_llm_only:design_01:r3
- judge:design_03:r1:c2
- judge:creative_03:r0:c2
usageinput_tokens- 718454
latency_ms_sum- 8037466.647999942
output_tokens- 223944
wall_seconds- 3400.5
Interpretation
interpretation- Two thinking-off runs on the same 9B model (32 and 64 rows per condition) now disagree on the only gains the first run showed, so those gains were run-to-run variation of a same-model judge, not an effect. The predeclared coherence and intent gains are absent in both runs. The predeclared breadth collapse is not observed by either label-free measure — the shipped C selector prompt already instructs against collapsing, so this tests the shipped prompt, not naive commitment. On this model the three runtime conditions are practically equivalent; nothing is statistically tested; frontier models are not addressed.
Limitations
limitations- Same-model 9B judge, saturating near 1.0; no human rating, no second judge.
- The breadth measure is supplementary and label-free, not the protocol's judge-label entropy (which stays 1.0 because free-text labels never repeat).
- Retry policy: unparseable selector/judge JSON regenerated at most twice per call, never edited; 5 retries recorded.
- Thinking disabled; one model family; no significance or equivalence test.
Reproduction
reproduction_instructions- Extract the bundle; replay exactly with CachedReplayProvider('.pacc_real_cache_local_reps4', reasoning_effort='none'); python scripts/breadth_metrics.py results/pacc_hybrid_v0.2_real_local_reps4.json --cache-dir .pacc_real_cache_local_reps4 (embeddings cached alongside).
Results
| Source | Relation | Target | Status | ID |
|---|---|---|---|---|
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | produces | RST-2026-0015 Run 2: no reliable condition difference; breadth not reduced (64 rows) | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0341 |
Recorded fields
completed_at- 2026-09-11
Relations
| Source | Relation | Target | Status | ID |
|---|---|---|---|---|
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | runs_on | SYS-2026-0003 PACC-LLM Hybrid Lab | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0334 |
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | uses_benchmark | BEN-2026-0003 PACC-LLM Hybrid A/B/C benchmark | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0335 |
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | uses_model | MOD-2026-0006 Qwythos-9B-v2 (Q4_K_M, local, Ollama) | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0336 |
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | extends | EXP-2026-0023 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — first real-model run, on a local 9B open-weight model | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0337 |
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | tests | THY-2026-0002 Canonical symbolic state and candidate → verify → commit authority | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0338 |
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | replicates | EXP-2026-0023 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — first real-model run, on a local 9B open-weight model | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0339 |
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | produced | ART-2026-0037 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 real local-model run 2 (4 repetitions, label-free breadth) — results, frozen caches, scripts, docs artifact://evemisslab/adaptive-epistemic-systems/PACC-Hybrid-Lab_v0.2_REAL_LOCAL_LLM_RUN2_reps4_breadth_Qwythos-9B-v2_2026-09-11.zip | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0340 |
EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | produces | RST-2026-0015 Run 2: no reliable condition difference; breadth not reduced (64 rows) | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0341 |
EXP-2026-0025 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 3: thinking enabled with enlarged output budgets | extends | EXP-2026-0024 PACC-Hybrid v0.2 — real-model run 2: four repetitions and label-free creative breadth | ACTIVE | REL-2026-0347 |
History and provenance
- Canonical URL
- https://evemisslab.com/ai/experiments/EXP-2026-0024/
- Machine-readable
/ai/experiments/EXP-2026-0024/index.json- Snapshot
AI-SNAPSHOT-v0.1-fe85b9694a45- Provenance
source- EveMissLab research collection: Adaptive Epistemic Systems (真本體論13)
extracted_by- Splice (Claude Code), reading the canonical UTF-8 sources and each lab's own result reports
extracted_at- 2026-09-11
generator- tools/extract_aes/extract.py
claim_boundary- status, evidence level and result type follow the source artifact's own stated claim boundary; nothing is upgraded beyond what the report supports